35 story? 35 story, I'm sorry. But my question is, does anyone here know that whether or not any one of the city council or chamber of commerce has any idea of what's going on? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Does anyone here know that whether or not any one of the city council or chamber of commerce or anything like that has heard any word of it? Yesterday, the chamber is also ahead of the economic development committee board.

They're looking at a new big business plan that's going to be run in the economy. It's also just run in a circular. He didn't say that he was going to turn it down. He didn't say that he was going to turn it down. I had to tell you this. You once knew into this town don't understand. It is a very little town. As a matter of fact, Lorena is on the board of the Chamber of Commerce. You won't stop dreaming if you think it isn't around, as I think of crises. And if you come in like separate individual promoters, you're going to get shot down because the ones who already know it's planned from here and don't know you are going to stop you.

And I sound like a wet blanket. Don't this, don't that, don't the other. I don't mean to be that way. But I'm not going to let you get out of order, and right now about all that is in order, is to begin quietly maybe to function in the community, but simply to write proposals and get some money so that we can afford to do something when the time is right. Abby, I heard you first. Getting back to the proposals, I don't think the license is required, but has anything been done in the proposal for the infrastructure for the building that we're building, or the proposals for the building that we're interacting with? well in our proposals no because that is the landowners problem and that's what they're dealing with right now first thing has come first you can't do anything with buildings without infrastructure in place very interesting now the infrastructure should I see that the proposal has to work with someone who's doing it to make sure this is done.

Well, it's getting done, and there are ones working with him that are getting it done. However, you notice a marked absence of a belief in the fact that it will be. And therefore, they don't want, because they can't afford to, go and change all of the directions engineering-wise. They go off past idiocy, run about and get engineers out and pay a tremendous amount of money to mis-structure your infrastructure. Now they're going to work, and Larry, praise your father, will hold Josephine's hand and keep it somewhere in tow because he is a contractor and he knows what he's doing. And they are going off like idiots and chickens, running to the county, running to the city fathers. They don't believe enough that there is going to be an Anderson's piece soon. And I at some point will get across to you it is the Father's plan. Do you not think he will see it through?

You don't have to push and push and push and push. They are going to have to come into their knowledge that they cannot do it the way they are doing it. And if we have to film this entire Sipaku in southeastern Utah, we will do so. That is number one. It Fair enough. We could have that structure. But if we need to use Mr. Redford Studios in Cobalt, Utah, we will do so. The moment that picture is funded, everybody will be in the game again. Yes? Now that I have a good point about the involvement in terms of finding out information about the sewer and that sort of thing, yet my concern is what you said, that it's very important in a town this size to remain in office.

So it's a delicate balance. Oh, but you don't have to stop. There will come a day when normally a nobody would be the town father and mother probably, because there's no way to be that way. I'm just making a statement. Give me a hand with this. I'm just making a statement. I know that we were property owners other things more important I would like to back to priorities constructively and it were often left field we're off in what field I guess we are a little bit or have a little bit and let's get back on track and what you're saying is the water can yes the exit orientation is important, yes the greenhouse is important, yes the sewer is important, yes what areas should we be concentrating on specifically?

because of the answer so many times I'm turning my domain purple you have to have a place the acid or in poverty must be proposed that does not mean you can't start a proposal son you're going to have to have the same write-up for every proposal you send in why this place why it is feasible why would a track a training track be feasible in this town all things can be worked on assumptions. And finally, the facts plugged in to the computer. That's what the process of the man was for. It was to work on assumptions and the fact that he was brought in as we needed to be in the property. I get the picture of running counter-skelter on solid.

Perhaps my perception is incorrect. I've sat over here and listened to you folks talk about proposals for houses and other big developments. But nobody's ever considered the fact we've got to have a large sewage system which has to be in place before we even start running this stuff into it. In every development I've ever known, you always have to have sewage connections. And we, for some reason or other, are shy away from this. We can't even get the city fathers to think big enough for us. We need a tremendous sewage system for what we're proposing here. We're probably going to have a city here with a hundred thousand at least, maybe five hundred thousand in twenty years. It takes five years or ten years to design and build a big sewage system. We need to do these things. Now I don't know how we're going to motivate these people to do it. We might use Parsons or someone else to do this, that would be tipping our hand too soon maybe.

But somehow we have to have a system that's going to integrate and fit together. When they built one in San Diego, they put, I think they spent $30 million and they put sewer pipes all over the countryside there, miles and miles. 50 miles one way and 30 miles the other way. And it took three or four years before they even approved it. If we're going to go with a big development, land development, eventually, work it up to it, we've got to be thinking big, not small. I don't know how to get started here, should we be developing proposals on... We've got to be thinking big, not small. I don't know how to get started here, should we be developing proposals on...

The sewage system is premature now. I don't know how we're going to get the city planners to go along with this kind of thinking. slightly the other day so big how do you think Otto will fund such mammoth things he has always wanted to keep them small. I'm at $8,000 to $10,000. $10 million in the account. It's the same as they put bid out in Colorado, the one he just approved, it's in process now.

I was using that as a break then. But when I ran the numbers with EJ on this particular property and a couple others, it doesn't take much to get to $8,000. How are you going to pay off this back? there five-year five-year bonds I was under the impression we would be building APT houses and putting in commercial buildings on some of this property over a period of five years plus the city bonds for putting in the sewer and sidewalks and things.

We've done a system of cleaning of that. I'm going back to that thing we got. Where would you put this sewer system? You see, you'd have to have one that you can add to it and grow. You'd have to have these sludge ponds and all this other stuff, treatment ponds. And I don't know whether we've got a good spot that we'd drain into, short of the big cement plant down there. I don't know, it cost a fortune to put the pipes in for it. Yes it will. And it needs to go all the way to Mojave and pass into the desert. Let it sink into the desert? I don't know. I'm not going to give you your engineering. If you blunder I'll stop you. You're blundering now and I'm stopping you. I didn't promise you that Rosemarie. I said it would be harder than hell.

It's a tough job, I realize. Yes it is. But we've got to think big enough so that we can go in with a small deal and let it expand into the growing to the large operation go through Kelowna City and everything, then you can take their hand. We're not supposed to take our hand. It's the right thing. It's some catch that fits. Yes, it is. And we're sitting with our funding.

Couldn't we have a master plan that would kind of just allows it to, let me put it this way, grow into that? Who is the right guy, do you think, that would extend the storage and the hobby for this small project. And if you're going to take Mojave on a sewer project, right off the bat, you're saving, Steve, and you've got to tip your hand if you want the wind to put it in. You don't have to tip your hand. All you have to do is tell somebody to go get the plants for Canyon Country. That place was the most desolate place seven years ago.

Better than New Hampshire? I don't think you... Well, I'm talking about to go to the city planners or anything and talk to a huge sewer system. How are you going to justify it without... Well, you've got to make plans for a sewer system where you're going to do a piecemeal. And you don't want to do piecemeal because... You can't already do it. So, you're going to have to take their hand someplace to get permits to build that system in the sewer. And that sewer system, to me, has to come first, unless you're going to piecemeal it all the time.

I don't get that impression. I watched what they did in Canyon Country. I don't know if anybody here knows where Canyon Country is. Yeah, I know where Canyon Country is, but I don't know exactly how they would. They did nothing. They speculated that the city would grow to the size it had. We're talking about a sewage system. I understand. But you're going to piece me up?

No, but if you would listen to what I'm telling you. Canyon Country grew so fast, developers never looked at any of that stuff. They never looked at sewage systems. They never looked at water supply. They overbuilt so badly they don't have the water to supply to the people of Canyon Country because it grew so fast. Any city planner, if you went in there with a big plan and said, just look what you did here, and you don't think this community has the potential of growth, all they have to do is look back at the last year's records of growth. You don't have to take your hand and say, we have intentions of making this place grow by tenfold in two years.

Society itself will show that itself I think you have to take your hand and if they're that ignorant then you will have with patching the cattle are currently protectionist and the house people have a lot greater room than they have to tend to. Absolutely, Bill. But now let us talk about what is. What do we have to work with? What is?

We have no money. A woman overly may get some money. You don't have any money even up front to keep Otto or the Panamanians. So let's talk about what is. You have approved by Gary Moody, TeraBlock and ABT, and he will begin to fund those as soon as he can. As a matter of fact, he's going to be aggravated as hell when he finds out that they've been submitted everywhere else. you sweating that. Otto has an unlimited supply of money. Now does Otto want to do business or does Otto want to play games with you? You act as if you're at his mercy. He is at your mercy. You don't have to give him any business. It would help if we had more funds with which to work, but you had it no problem. And I agree, every project you have you send to everyone.

Let's see what they will offer you to have your business. And the more they have sitting on your desk from this area, the more attention they're going to pay to you. But they cannot give up without threatening you. Who cares if Panama does not fund it? Does anybody want to argue with me? I like a good debate. I don't think it makes any difference because if we can get competition going elsewhere, else for Otto without paddle paddle come around and start doing some of our business You only have to pay Yes What do you suppose would happen if you caught mr. McConnell and said I'm sorry We're not going to go We have a better deal.

This is why you get everything to everyone. That does not mean you can't accept funding from everyone or you're going to get into a legal mishmash. You can get funding from almost all, if you have not overdone it to the point that you The city has to come into its comfort. Number one, Jim Crawford does not believe there will be a piece of Anderson. That alone will overtax the sewer system. He thinks there may be a dome, but 35 stories high, brother, he has no consent. They are a little snowflake on one 8 by 11 piece of paper that he doesn't believe because he cannot believe in himself. is frantic, he does not know what to do, he is over his head and trying to take advantage of poor Josephine, who is much more sophisticated than she would appear to you. Right now it's tangled up in total greed. And I'm a mind not to let them have any part of it. I'm really a mind to go and build the first dome on John Noone's property. That's how irritated I am. I'm watching those ones play their foolish, foolish games. Doesn't mean to come to that. I told you, from the time they walked through the door, you will have use of that land. It may just take a while. Whatever the father needs will be brought unto you. You are frantic because you are in a lull here, where you do not have the wherewithal to even survive. Let us deal with that and not magnificent plans of hundred million dollar sewer systems. How do we get past now to there? That's the problem. Because you once have your back against the wall, whether it is good planning, poor planning, does not matter. That's where you are and that's what we deal with.

Because for those reasons, nothing will be sacrificed. Now am I right or am I wrong? I will often tell you wrong somebody better respond it sounded great back to her every move we met we get in deeper right there I think we're in that bad of shape and we're just getting a little back on track. We've got to get some cash flow. Yes, we have to have cash flow from somewhere. Can't run forever on no gas in the tank. I've got to cut it somehow. These ones would have absolutely zero after the first of the year.

I will tell you that now. Mr. Scharfenberger will close the park. There is not anything now. So what are we talking about? Let us talk about what we are and what we have. And then let us see if anybody is going to hear of me. This is where we are. John Jeffers is trying as hard as he can push. It is not easy to push a nation full of Japanese. It is even harder to push on bankers. For you see, what he is doing is no great miracle. He is simply making an effort to utilize product to avoid the Federal Reserve. LCDs, DNPs, PDQs, and RSTs have been bid to avoid those ones. Now when one comes up with a very workable idea, it is pounced on like a piece of meat in a lion's den. So it requires great caution. There has been great insecurity in the open marketplaces until after the election to see who was going to prison and who was going to get to play for a little while longer.

You have several problems to think about. Our first obligation is to the father for the story, to be followed on by information to mankind. If you have a massive earthquake in the middle, so be in, you're through, go home. And you've done a good job. But if you're going to worry about it, whether or not you can get through, you're not trusting your father very much. It will go just exactly as far as he chooses for it to go. So you may as well roll over and go with it and stop paddling around in the eddies trying to get back into the river so you can drown.

Well now come on, you're not that far off, Trev. You're pretty far. Now you youngsters have come because you have a great, great contribution to make and you're eager, and I have said get proposals written. What else are you going to do? Somebody tell me what else you're going to do. What are you prepared to do in this town, in this particular environment with the father's plan, which is mine? I have it all laid out to you in front of me I do have scanners uh-huh and you don't that's unfair advantage unfair yes well I never said it was fair hard is just not fair so if you once have come and it's a little premature you may have to suffer by writing proposals on assumptions. That's the way it is. And we can make do. The way my scanners perceive it is that Jeffers will get it done. It will still be very scarce, the financial assistance, until Gary Moody can begin to fund. And then, oh yes, Otto will fund. That's where you should be putting the money. The first $25,000 really should be in his bank or on his desk so that he knows you mean business. He has no other way. Don't kid yourself that He does not remember me.

He knows exactly who I am. And greed will take care of the rest of his crew. Greed is a very negative thing, but it can only harm us if we allow it in our midst. And if you want, think that by going out and purchasing land, at this point upon which to bid houses, before you even have the money to consummate an arrangement with John Donahue, you are foolish. That is busy work. And Hatton has never been known for tact either. I warned everybody, if you go back and listen to the tapes, I warned everybody.

I'm only patient in the beginning. And then I get nittier than a peacock. And yet, you're right. I have her tucked way aside because she cannot bear this kind of talk. But I have to have a speaker. I am keeping you up all night. You must know I'm almost ready to be there. I would like that satellite dish, Gupta. I don't like being robbed for $1400. I'll tell you that. But I need a satellite dish so I can get on your blasted television. I'm being hampered.

Now let me tell you why that smoke alarm. Let me tell you why I will not let you disconnect that smoke alarm and we will allow you a little rest in between. I did last night, we called it off. We have to come into a lower vibration pattern than that raucous, awful smoke alarm to even begin to get into your space in a theric form, much less manifested. We're setting our toners and our scanners to that vibration. And it is hideous up here. It has everybody very close. What do you perceive you need? Quite frankly I would tell every one of you to go and get a job and relieve yourself of this responsibility for a few days. But I don't know where there are jobs in this town to be had.

I don't know what you're willing to do or want to do. I can tell you until $25,000 goes into autos or whatever it's charging, it's more, isn't it? Thirty, isn't it? It's going to cost at least thirty. The minute it's sitting in there, he will be comfortable and you'll be on your way. But you're going to have more on the other end. And there are going to be legal expenses. So you're not going to be able to function until some money begins to come from John Jeffers in one way or another, because I will consider Terry Moody a part of John Jeffers.

And if that is handled incorrectly, it will blow him completely out of the water. He will want no part of it. Very, very tedious. I can only recommend that you write proposals as fast as you can in the time that you have. You have two months here to get them scattered all around before the new boss takes over. And the next little perturbation starts in Washington. They will be very slight really. But the ones coming in to the Congress have to flex their muscles and they have to shift around a little bit. Why do you think they would want a nice little Mr. Quayle? He won't make riffles for anybody. He doesn't even have to be included, bless his heart. Bush not recommend them to vote him in with him so they can get someone else to replace him. We're still trying to get him out. Why do you suppose that's so important to them? Because for some reason I thought he was mainly a puppet. I can't quite understand it myself because if he's a puppet why do they? Unless they want someone else the other side can control a little better or something?

Distractors. Distractors. All that attention paid to zero importance. I see. It keeps Mr. Bush alive, brothers. If you had anybody that could manage anything, Mr. Bush would be dead. Now that is negative input, but that is truth. The gray men will keep him alive, and they will keep enough tractors going. Your world's in a mess, you know that, that's why we're here. But if we blunder, we blow ourselves away. And I have no intention of that happening. I have a question. Please.

Otto, say we were to fund Otto, would there be enough money coming in here so that we could siphon off a little bit of whatever millions it is to Panama and other efforts and then we essentially will recycle this and make it regenerate and we have a plenty of money to go with? Yes. I will tell you why. Otto already has it and willing to do it. He is in Europe but until somebody puts up some some earnest money, he will not bring back cash. If he had $30,000 sitting in his office, he would bring you back $3 million. That was the request. And he can loan it against the real estate. And he will purchase a bond. So everybody is partially correct. Everybody is partially incorrect. It is the three million requested that is your savior. He will not do it until someone shows more earnest. So we've got to dig up $30,000.

That's about DTS. Say, if we were to do this, do you think he'll pull another sneaky Pete on us and double the ante? Oh, it's already twice that. So he's got to double it, too. A hundred thousand. No. They can also come out of it back and run a promise. Yeah. Anything else? I'm trying to find out what it'll take to start things because I've dealt with these guys before and boy they really screw me, screw me. I put up $10,000 before you get through it's 20 and then pretty soon they disappear into the woodwork and you can't find anything. Their tents are all gone, Panama. That's why I would not by any means suggest money into Panama. They are not even talking about an upfront loan.

You have several situations, John, and perhaps you have missed a little bit of conversation. Otto has finally grown above the need to take crappy jobs, but he has had such a poor selection selection of projects. He sees it. His co-partners see it. They have a mortgage operation going now. They have a leasing operation going now. They need you. They want you. They are just pleading with you to give them something that they can grasp onto so they can legitimately you what you need, which is the $3 million loan. You're going to have some cost of paperwork. The absolute minimum is just the intent of the $30,000. There may be another 10 in legal work. I cannot judge that. But does that have to be paid up front immediately? Do they estimate it and Jack the 30,000 to 40,000 and we have to produce 40,000 you're talking to different subjects okay there's two there's two pieces to it we're saying that it appears that we had the 30,000 that we could arrange and finalize the three million without any additional money but in order to and step to go further to the $33 million for example of ADT. That includes his fees. In order to complete the paperwork for the $33 million there is your legal, your partnership agreement that needs to be done here in the United States with an attorney which is probably about another $10,000. Then you have your CPA work which is your forecasted financials, which would probably use Jay here, and he would do a forecasted financials, whatever that fee would be.

And then we have the printing of the package when it's done, after it's all legally done, according to the rules and regulations of the Securities Exchange Commission, 506B, and it's all registered. Those fees would be, but Otto won't charge any more fees than what he says on that piece of paper up front he's not going to say okay thanks for the first 25 now you got to give me another 25 so yeah well you know that's why I'm asking questions here I put sometimes you get in deeper than you think when you're right the first step the I believe if we had the 30,000 for example placed into the into place and he was to come up with the three million we could use the three million to pay all the legal fees oh yes but he isn't going to do anything without some earnestness on your part I guess there are proposals that you cannot fund what's back in the three million that's the land okay that that was my question is what we would really are we talking about it doesn't matter that you don't loan it that is land that you will have to put your factories upon.

We're talking, we're talking. You're assuming you were going to use the three million then to put it down on the land or something. No. Yes, yes. A very small down payment. Down payment was a part of the proposition that we offered to Josephine. Well, you are all talking something. And when I say no, I doubt it.

What does the... Because they're not going to get their act together in time to require any of that. And then when you get your funding, you go like gangbusters wherever there is a piece of land that will hold ABT or whatever. We are talking ABT and terror block. Let's not miss what we're about. In business language, talking with Otto and Ilona. Yes, they can know about all the rest. That makes them greedy, and they want a part of it. They have to have some excuse to get you going. They're going to be very generous. to get you going. They're going to be very generous as to what is required. Basically earnest intent of allowing them to fund you brings the three million up front. They know you're going to use it to pay their fees. At least they certainly hope so. But they can't come out and put that on a piece of paper or on the tentacle? Say somebody coughs up the $30,000, what type of collateral do they get?

Goodwill? Do you have a proposal, I mean an offer from Otto sedating the fact as soon as that paperwork goes through, then that's collateral in itself. We have two of those actually. No, wait, wait, wait. One thing happens to the 30,000 immediately until you get the 3 million and then whoever puts up 30,000 gets their 30,000 back. That's collateral. If you don't get your 3 million, you get your 30,000 back and tell that up theirs. See, nobody's ever said that 30,000 is just there in trust.

That's what you're talking about. It isn't exactly in trust. But if they don't do the $3 million up front, it's understood. They'd better damn well not cash that check. Is there a possibility to lose as an investor that $30,000? Well, Precious, there's always possibility. If there were not possibilities, one would never make a decision. What kind of a risk is it?

Well that's the, I think that's what John's trying to find out. I mean like, the risk factor. I'm going to check it again. I don't think it will be a risk. Let us talk about risk versus anything else. Are we, what are we about? It's God's plan, it should be protected, insured completely. God will be for us. That's right. If I tell you it's coming back, no one believes me.

Including Dorma. Oh wait, wait, you don't. Be cautious who answers. Well, let me put it this way. If we didn't trust, would any of us be here sitting here right now? Yes, absolutely. We wouldn't. You would be, or you wouldn't be. If I thought this was a fake, I'd leave right now. It's not a fake, but it had positive proof for a long period of time. I know that they can do these things and nothing is impossible.

Thank you. But the question was from Al, if we didn't believe, would any of us be sitting many will come. I'm not singling out, don't misunderstand, but I'm going to answer in generalities the generalities of the question. Were there many who are not sitting in this room, who are of this group, waiting to see if anybody else trusts enough for them to put it all on the line? And they're holding back greatly. In fact, they will not come to our meetings waiting. So they don't have to make a decision. It is happening moment by moment of every of your days. That's why there are so few in this room. So yes, believe it. Many would come, not believe it and not trust it.

The proof of it is in what is happening. Jim Crawford sat right in this room in my presence and said, I...

